Representative Jesse White Versus Range Resources - Shameful Conduct Engaged in by Both

Pennsylvania Continues to Have the Finest Government Money Can Buy

I am not sure whose conduct is the more outrageous in the battle of State Representative Jesse White versus Range Resources.

The company has released email from Mr. White which makes clear the unholy alliance between the two in happier times, times which no longer exist, as White has switched alliance away from the company. Range Resources served as one of White's greatest supporters, even involving itself in fundraising for him up to its ears. In one piece of correspondence, White shamelessly asks if he can "stow away" on the company's corporate jet on a trip to the Super Bowl, a request which he states was made in jest now that it has become public.

At the height of White and Range Resources being bosom buddies, I wonder which individual would be more apt to receive a return call from him, someone from Range Resources or "Joe Q. Citizen," a nobody that contacted White's office to request some type of constituent service.

White states, apparently in his defense, that the company has released the email exchanges in order to embarrass him. Well, yes, of course, and it is succeeding, but it is also serving to embarrass itself. It takes two to tango.

A reasonable and prudent person would conclude that the unholy alliance between a state legislator and a company and big contributor which is dependent on his votes in order to thrive, is business as usual in Harrisburg, government for sale to the highest bidder, a wink and a nod, an unspoken, unwritten quid pro quo.

Anyone who thought that then-Attorney General Tom Corbett was able to weed out all of the crooks and end the unethical behavior that has permeated the body which determines how we live our lives every day, is sadly mistaken as we see with abundant clarity in this sordid affair. We continue to have the finest government money can buy. The citizens be damned!

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Ben E. November 25, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Whops, left out the story that quotes the emails... http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-pa-shale-driller-lawmaker-email-20121114,0,23675.story
cecil resident November 25, 2012 at 04:13 PM
Thank you Ben E. this has been very interesting reading. Erin i know how you feel about enviromental issues read The Oberserver-Reporter Saturday Nov. 24. 2012 front page (Conservation Groups http://www.observer-reporter.com/article/20121123/NEWS0801/121129666/0/SEARCH
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 05:08 PM
Proud, this is a big issue in my hometown. Huge. People are losing their homes. I actually care very little about the environmental impact (comparatively speaking) and care more about the loss of property value. So when a politician addresses the issue, I am all over it. And please stop saying that you know how I feel on issues as you are almost always wrong, and I am so tired of explaining it to you. Ben, please see previous posts concerning chromium and one of the many issues in my area. I have no talking points on this issue. Ben, the first article is a slam piece by a biased source. The second hyperlinks "Jesse White" to a black senator. Not the same guy. They do not even know who they are talking about. Once again there is only paraphrasing and two brief quotes. Where are the actual emails? I am not here to fight. The real issue of DEP water testing is one that I follow as drilling is destroying to property value of homes. I also enjoy Oren's blogs, and I often agree. That is all. I have things to do today. Thanks Oren for an interesting blog as always! :)
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 05:09 PM
Click on my name super detective. Where are you getting 38? And thank you.
cecil resident November 25, 2012 at 05:46 PM
Erin sorry if I upset you I go on what you have been posting in various issues on Patch and base my info on that.. After reading many articles on both sides this is what I am understanding . If someone complains their water is affected by the gas drilling the DEP goes out and checks the water for the chemicals connected with drilling and provides a report. If other chemicals show up they are sueing the wrong people just because other chemicals are their doesn't mean it is coming from the gas industry.In the one case the well is surrounded by a junk yard and with old cars etc. you have oil and gas leaking from these vehicles in time this can also leak into their system. You don't like our post that show the industry is not some evil monster but you want us to believe the sites you post that are bias toward the industry. How many gas sites have you visited, have you looked into how fracking is done and how they protect the water table? Do you know the history of oil and gas industry in the state of Pa. before we had strict regulations? Their are many uncapped wells from that era that has nothing to do with the present day drilling and the townships that are sueing Range and the DEP are letting housing plans being built around them and once they are capped even on top of them. To me that seems a little a little one sided lets go after the big present day industry and close our eyes to the industry from the pass who could be the problem.
cecil resident November 25, 2012 at 06:21 PM
One more question Erin why are people losing their homes because of the oil and gas industry?
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 06:31 PM
See my comment above with the link to a video made in my town and an article about those people.
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Yes to all of your questions and please see comments above.
Oren Spiegler November 25, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Thanks, Erin, for your kind words. I am glad to have helped to stimulate an interesting and intelligent discussion. Whether I agree with you or not, I always enjoy reading your thoughts. You are a passionate, intelligent, educated individual. There should be more participants with those qualities.
Ben E. November 25, 2012 at 08:32 PM
You put up a link dated Arpil 2010 and that's suppoed to be some kind of support of White's argument about water testing? As for the link, is this better: http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/2950709-74/range-emails-company-industry-drilling-pitzarella-cecil-changed-gas-lawmakers#axzz2DAsJlBlN As for bias, you correctly note the one link goes to a proindustry site. Fair enough. But are the facts correct? I don't care about the tone. My pioint is that if the facts aren'tcorrect, White owes everyone an explanation or a correction or something that backs up his accusations he keeps making. He makes some wild allegation, then waits for the industry repsonse which is usally them saying "baloney", then he pretends they conjured up an attack on him. He doesn't appear to be all the bright. The problem with people of his low intelligence is that they can still have an effect on other people and in this case it's jobs. What politician in his right mind would go out of his way to attack a company because of a personal issue then claim he supports what they do? Good luck on your schooling. Hope you can find a job when you're done.
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 09:26 PM
The article from 2010 was posted because it is an understandable explanation of chromium which one of the articles under the marcellus shale initiative (linked with the 2010 article in my previous comment) lists as a metal withheld from the sample testing. The Marcellus Shale article then lists the metals which should be included in baseline testing (as taken from two outside sources) including chromium but excluding some others that are also excluded in the sample testing. The marcellus shale article then simply ignores the presence of chromium on all of the mentioned lists. The 2010 article highlights that this has been an ongoing issue with government testing that supersedes western PA. This is not "White's argument." This is an argument, as you correctly pointed out, that has been going on for years and has been made by 100s of people. Are there some people that would seek to sue a drilling company without real cause? Absolutely. There is no doubt in my mind that these people exist. There are also hundreds upon hundreds (if not thousands but I will low ball it) that are losing what little property value that they had and that have physical evidence of their water being unusable after drilling took place. Always very poor people that could not have afforded baseline testing so they are ignored and forced to sacrifice their homes and credit (for selling well under what they mortgaged the home for) without being compensated.
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Thank you Oren and likewise. I think that my contribution to this thread has run its course, but thank you for directing my attention to Rep Jesse White. For better or worse, he does seem to be an interesting and atypical politician. I can only hope that this issue garners the voices of more state and federal representatives that seek to serve the people rather than the gas companies (I say without demonizing the gas companies but with an understanding that a company's primary goal is profit and not protecting the property value and safety of people).
cecil resident November 25, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Erin watched your video and if this is really happening it should be taken care of, but it has nothing to do with Range Resources it was a company called Rex Energy Inc. If this company did something wrong it should be made to pay, but you can't say all companies aren't drilling in a safe manner. Gas and oil drilling is not going away and it would be a much better use of energy to make it safe and not say everyone is bad so stop drilling. Rep White praised Range up and down a short while ago and their way of drilling is still the same.
Erin Conners November 25, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Nobody said that "all companies aren't drilling in a safe manner." Nobody said to "stop drilling." White did not say to "stop drilling." The testing practices of the DEP are the same in both instances which connects the two situations. The state policy surrounding these two drilling companies is the same. Every time that this happens all over the country it is the government testing and "best practices" of safe drilling that is the concern. I recommend that you read the link that White posted above that details his thought process and involvement with Range because you seem to be confused on my position on drilling as well as White's. As I told Oren above, my contribution to this thread has run its course, but I encourage you to continue reading and start asking questions of everyone.
cecil resident November 26, 2012 at 01:44 AM
Erin I know Rep White very well And what he says about being for drilling is words it is Range and The DEP he has issues with and until he is willing to give proof to what he is saying that is all they are words which he says over and over with no proof. I'm not all one sided if I had proof that Range was doing wrong I would be the first to hold their feet to the fire unlike Jesse White followers who think his words are written in stone.
Jesse White November 26, 2012 at 03:21 AM
I just checked this thread for the first time since this morning and it's just mind-numbing. Some of the conclusions and twisting of my opinions and positions could not be further from the truth, and when I offer to talk to people, I get ridiculed even more. We all know why- you wouldn't say to someone's face the things you can say anonymously on here.
cecil resident November 26, 2012 at 03:27 AM
I have no problem saying to your face what I say here ,privately never that is how things get all twisted around and I wouldn't have emails and letters etc. like you claim to have to provide the PROOF. You claim to have PROOF but you will not provide it and that is all we are asking of you.
Jesse White November 26, 2012 at 03:32 AM
I will also not be posting any more on this thread, because I want to devote my time and energy to my constituents who are willing to attach their names to their issues and actually want my help. I renew my offer to discuss any of these issues face-to-face with anyone wishing to discuss them- all you have to do is call my office at 724-746-3677.
cecil resident November 26, 2012 at 03:38 AM
Rep White don't use the name excuse not to provide the proof you claim to have. We all want your help to clear up the dispute between you and Range why can't you say here or in the papers or on Patch what you would say in private? Would hate to think it could change after the fact if it is not in writing
Ben E. November 26, 2012 at 02:53 PM
White gets called out and resorts to the same old cowardly tactic. Jesse you're the one who keeps floating your beef with Range out in public so don't run and hide when asked for proof of wrongdoing. Where's the proof? Yeah, didn't think so. What's mind numbing is there are still people who think you're credible. And Erin, you're obviously not a neutral party in this. I call BS on "hundreds" of people losing their property because of drilling. You haven't offered one shred of evidence. If something bad happened two and a half years ago, I feel bad but I'm guessing the company had to fix it, right? As proud American also points out, what does that have to do with Range or even the DEP? Here's a quote I just pulled from the PA American Water page (you know, the company that provides drinking water...): "Chromium is an odorless and tasteless metallic element. It is found naturally in rocks, plants, and soil and also found in humans and animals. There are two common forms of chromium: Chromium 3-is an essential human dietary element found in vegetables, meats, fruits, grains and yeast. Chromium 3 can be found in most multi-vitamins. Chromium 6 (also known as hexavalent chromium) can be generated from natural deposits of chromium in soils as well as produced by industrial processes such as steel manufacturing and pulp mills."
Erin Conners November 26, 2012 at 03:13 PM
See previous comment with article and video detailing what happened to people in my county as my "shred of evidence." Dated Aug 2012. The 2010 article was only posted for its explanation of Chromium 6 which is "produced by industrial processes" as your own research points out. I've explained over and over again how this has to do with the DEP and the drilling processes of companies like Range, not to mention it is in the article. No the company did not do anything to fix anything. The faults with at least one of the marcellus shale articles I have already pointed out and explained over and over...I am done. This is why White has given up on you guys. You are failing to comprehend that your questions are being answered over and over again, so you put him (and me) at an impass where a comment thread is obviously not furthering communication for whatever reason. For all questions and comments directed towards me, please see previous posts. For all snide comments and implications that I am some sort of covert White agent (I am not even a constituent), please keep them to yourself or at least do not expect any further response. Have a lovely holiday everyone.
Ben E. November 26, 2012 at 04:48 PM
First it was people in your county allegedly losing heir property values, hundreds of them. Then it changed to people everywhere in the state. Then you rallied behind White's bogus DEP crusade and posted a video over two years old that doesn't even relate to his attack on a state agency. When asked for proof, you ignore it and write the same thing he does "see my previous post". Then you advise anyone who might disagree with you to keep it to themselves. Finally, you go after Stan Saylor--twice--and he just coincidentally is the guy who called for White to be investigated. For someone who isn't a White operative, you sure are picking sides blatantly. And you note in your "profile" that you have an interest in politics. Well, apparently not in U.S. Politics since we tend to value the open exchange of ideas, not "if you don't agree with me, be quiet". You have a lot to learn. So back up your assertions with proof, the ones about property values all over the state. Ask your hero White to back up his claims with proof. See, if people like you would actually offer evidence instead of evasion you might even pull people like me to your side.
Erin Conners November 26, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Wow...Okay...One last time... 1. The proof of lost property value due to drilling, and the similarity in contested DEP testing, is in the video and the article about people in my county. One woman's home was assessed to be worth $15,000. She didn't buy it for 15,000, so the property lost value. Read the article/watch the video for more info. 2. I never said hundreds in PA. I said hundreds and probably thousands in accumulation over the past ten years nationally...never did I say "state-wide." 3. It is not "White's crusade" that I rally behind. People have been contesting the DEP's testing process (especially in the instance of Chromium 6) for years! I showed you a 2010 article explaining this, and then I showed you a recent article having to do with the DEP's testing process and specifically the White situation in which Marcellus Shale just conveniently ignores that Chromium is listed as a metal that _should_ be tested for during baseline testing, but is _not_ tested for according to the code applied by DEP testers that White talks about in a November 7th Patch blog article. The lack of reading comprehension is kind of blowing my mind right now. I don't want you to be quiet. I want you to PLEASE SEE PREVIOUS COMMENT as the previous comments answer _all_ of your questions. For further evidence feel free to do your own research. Mind blown...or something. ;)
Ben E. November 27, 2012 at 03:59 PM
The uncanny similarities between your writing and that of Jesse White is just incredible, as is the dishonesty you both display. Here, let me show you my "reading comprehension" so you can really have your mind blown, or something. 1. 1:00, 11-24 "...people in my area (not White's district but near) are losing their property values, clean water and health since drliing began..."..."After seeing people in my county lose everytyhing bc local drilling reduced their property value to nothing..." (note the words "my area", "property values" and "my county"). 2. 1:33, 11-24: "People in my county lost their proprety values to local drilling...neither the government nor the drilling company are reimbursing these people for their lost property value". (Note the words "county" and "property value") 3:12 11-24: "...as people all over the state are losing their homes and wealth without reimbursement from the govt and/or gas companies?" (note the words "state" and "losing their homes") 4. 12:08, 11-25: "...drilling is destroying to property value of homes" 5. 4:26 11-25: "There are also hundreds upon hundreds (if not thousands but I will low ball it) that are losing what little property value that they had and that have physical evidence of their water being unsuable after drilling took place." (note the words "hundreds" and "thousands"). Wow, mind blown or something...or maybe just your credibility.
cecil resident November 27, 2012 at 04:49 PM
Very good job Ben E. pointing out the comments
Erin Conners November 27, 2012 at 05:29 PM
What exactly did he point out? That I never said that the state had hundreds of people losing their property valued? That I am a covert agent for Jesse White who I did not even know existed until I read this article? Please proud, what did this nonsense prove to you? As Ben has shown you, the majority of the time I was speaking about the people in my area/state since we were discussing statewide DEP testing regulations. The comment about nationwide losses of property value by the hundreds was one comment that does not refer to the state specifically but attempts to expand your viewpoint nationwide to the similarities between issues in testing and the exclusion of particular metals such as chromium. Ben, you are right. The reading comprehension going on on this thread has once again blown mind. Seeing as how you two have no questions about anything that I have posted but have just given into straight up delusions now, I am going to go ahead and not follow this thread anymore. If I am not losing brain cells for participating in this garbage, I am most certainly losing valuable time. (The "or something" was a kind of inside joke not meant for you guys, so I would not really dwell on it all that much...or dwell...I won't be watching).
cecil resident November 27, 2012 at 06:14 PM
Some people know everything about everything but the topic of Jesse White and Range is still the same Rep White talks and talks and people like Erin believe every word he said even if he can't prove it . Range provided the people of Cecil Township the truth.
Roger November 27, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Quoting: "... One woman's home was assessed to be worth $15,000. She didn't buy it for 15,000, so the property lost value ...." Wow!!! Erin, it is time to get off campus and away from academia for awhile. The list of properties in the region like this is lengthy, and has zero to with drilling. Many home are "underwater" in regions that have no drilling. The assertion of "many property values decreasing," or similar words, is true in lots of locations. Also, there are many properties that are increasing in value. And, many of them are in areas with drilling -- the availability of the natural resource has made many property values skyrocket. The "loosing homes" argument goes no place either. You have failed to mention all those who have been able to keep their homes because of lease money, new employment, and new business opportunities that were not there before the recent upsurge in MS drilling. Many of your comments suggest that the technologies being used are new. Hydraulic techniques have been used for 50-60 years. Only recently have they been more widely used. Horizontal drilling gave the techniques a much greater value. So, please stop with the "this is new" argument. Thanks again for posting, despite all your promises of "last one." We like to hear what the kids on the college campus are thinking.
Roger November 27, 2012 at 07:32 PM
I think we can consider this a bonus thread, Quoting, "... all you have to do is call my office at 724-746-3677. Amazingly, no one has chosen to take me up on this offer. ...." Quoting, " .. all you have to do is call my office at 724-746-3677. ...." We have two invitations. Most threads only have one invite. We are plussed. Sorry, no count on admonition of anonymous posters. I'm sure there some, like all other similar threads.
Concerned Citizen November 27, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Roger, you're wasting your breath with that one. Facts mean NOTHING to her. And you're right about the "last one." It never really is the last one. She always remembers one more thing that a professor told her (as she doesn't know what her own opinion really is). And how dare you challenge the smartest human on earth, you are certainly not her intellectual equal (there are no equals to her). Next line will be the standard (for her) "this is a personal attack" and the thread will be shut down. Discourse and the exchange of ideas must not be something they teach in college. As far as her not understanding why property values all across America, what do you expect? On a different post she scoffed at the suggestion that the fiscal cliff is a real event. You can't beat common sense into someone that doesn't have it, despite all the degrees they hold.


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