This reminds me of the Consol debate. The major different being that is affects another township. Sadly, this is a right of way that was designed and on the map. How can residents expect that if there is a right of way there and a farm behind it and it will never get developed?

People need to understand, unless you have Gilfillan farm in your back yard, there is a good chance it will be developed. You have no rights to what happens there, because you don't own that property. I don't care if it is ugly, decreases your home value or increases traffic. If it is within township code, it is legal and a private property owner can do whatever they want.

I understand Bridgeville residents are upset, maybe they didn't think when they bought their house that the farm would one day be developed, but that is hindsight. Upper St. Clair is protecting its financial interests in the property. At a rough estimate, we are looking at $1.5 million /year in property taxes to the district from this development.

Sorry, it's a number game and I welcome the development.

I think we should add for those unfamiliar with Bridgeville's "Main Street" that is it unlike other town's main streets. It is not a main through way as it's name may suggest. This road is a two lane, small residential road that if residents have guests who park on the road it will narrow it to a one lane road. Making this an enterance/exit to the Upper St. Clair community not only increases the traffic of this road (and all it's safety issues) but, it also limits the availability for these residents to have a normal life and entertain guests in a social capacity.

I can't imagine how this development would add a significant amount of traffic to Main Street. Residential developments are not know for generating a lot of traffic. They don't draw people from a large area into one, densely packed area like commercial developments do. If you live on a purely residential street in Upper St Clair think about how many cars travel down your street. Maybe one every 10 minutes? I'm pretty sure Main Street can handle that.

Bryan, you are mistaken. Every property owner has rights and may assert them even if it may preclude or limit a development within an adjoining property. Your Consol example is off point. The owner there had to get a change to the code. It is permissible, indeed, acceptable to fight that change. Township's and landowners must be held accountable to develop within the confines of the law.

Under your analogy, commissioners have the power to tax so we should just let them do it without opposition.

Yes Bryan and the "government" that owns the property at the end of main street is bridgeville not upper st Clair. It is the end of a street complete with curbing perpendicular to the flow of traffic. St Clair is free to put in an entrance way off of bower hill road or painters run both of which are possible. If you don't think it is look at the entrance to newbury development in south fayette. Heck look at Mcmillan road where it meets painters run rd.

Main street is more one lane then two with residents usually parking on one side. The st Clair residents who blow thru the stop. signs and make the illegal turns on red on Mclaughlin all head to the developments that will be the neighbors of this new development I'm sure they will not have the time or courtesy to slow down or stop for those underlings in bridgeville as well.
Seeing as these people cant obey the laws in bridgville why should bridgeville allow them to further endanger its tax payers!

B smith, did you read my posts at all? I completely understand that bridgeille owns the street. It may, in fact, not give them the legal right to close it off. I am not a lawyer but if you read my other posts you might understand that I am fine with it being closed off if it is legal.

As far as the bower hill and painters run options. While bower hill might be somewhat feasible. Painters run is not by a long shot. Either one would end up drawing the ire of the environmentalists and other groups I am sure. If the developer doesn't have to put an entrance there, why should they? If bridgeville has the legal right to close main street then that will be the only option.

As far as your comments about USC residents running stop signs and lights. I will just ignore as you have 0 basis and I could say the same thing abou Bridgeville residents coming up cook school.

Zero basis not sure how you could say that. 3 times a week there is a car that runs the light and nearly plows into me as I drive thru there. That is just what I see and then you can follow them right to the dominion.

If you look at tootle earth or take a ride in your car you will see that a road off painters run isn't that hard since there is a road already between Jim Jenkins and Mcmillan road that goes to houses on the hill there. An extension to that road is feasible. Next to the bedners farm market there is already a former road that turns out onto bower hill road. There are more options out there.

The road off between Jim Jenkins and McMilen is private property and not a township owned road. Actually, that whole bank of painters run is private property, there isn't a spot that connects that the developer could use. I know most of the owners of those plots on that side. The entire hilltop is private property so that's out of the question. The bedners didn't sell the farm market and thus the private property isn't an option. Why don't you understand how capitalism works. The cheapest solution is main street and the developer will pursue that solution until it is no longer an option. It's business, that's how it works. The bower hill connector is the only other option but likely costs multiple orders of magnitude more if the dep would even allow it.

Again, don't start with the running red lights and speeding. Its a two way street (figuratively speaking). To try and claim that only USC residents are speeding and bridgeville residents never ran a single stop sign is preposterous. I spent three years living on a corner where I can guarantee you there were bridgeville residents and upper st Clair residents running the stop sign at the end of my drive daily.

My house probably got 100x the traffic that main st would because main st would only be a 'cut through' for the residents of the bedner farm development. I lived on a cut through for anyone coming from cook school to south hills village. I also lived on north meadowcroft in Lebo years ago which saw speeders and people run stop signs daily. You are preaching to the choir if you think you are the first person to have to deal with inconsiderate drivers. They come from everywhere, not just USC.

The strip of land is in the Borough of Bridgeville, under the jurisdiction of Bridgeville Borough Council and NOT UPPITY ST CLAIR TWP. COMMISSIONERS!!! Uppity St Clair Township Commissioners should keep their noses out of BRIDGEVILLE BOROUGH. We on Main Street, Bridgeville Borough already put up with too many Upper St Clair inconsiderate motorists on our residential street going from Cook School Road to Bower Hill Road.

Bryan as you said in a few posts before what about using eminent domain,use it in Upper St. Clair. Inconvienance the people in your own Twp..the Developer should have thought about that before they wanted to develope the land. Build a road to a road in USC, If it costs the developer more well thats the cost of doing business.

1. I dont think you understand how eminent domain works. This is not upper st Clair developing the land. It is a private developer. Upper st Clair can't use eminent domain in this situation.

2. You have to be crazy to propose that taking someone's property and home is a better option than connecting a road. I mean, Really? You guys really have some of the most off the wall ideas. Maybe they should build a bridge over Bower Hill.